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Waltham frosty 1883 foot jewel

New postby richiec » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:23 pm

I have been working on this Waltham 1883 frosty for a few weeks now and have gone through every parts movement I have and cannot match up a foot jewel, it seems that the diameter of the jewel in this watch is under 2.60 mm while all of the others are way above that in diameter in the 2.80 range. Were the frosties finished differently? This one is in the 4.4 million range.
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Re: Waltham frosty 1883 foot jewel

New postby Neilywatch » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:41 am

Nope - you just need to pick from a movt in a similar serial range - the curse of these model 1883's is that they were in production for 35 years and some modifications were done to them without record.
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Re: Waltham frosty 1883 foot jewel

New postby Marty101 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:39 am

I learned THAT the hard way.
Keep winding things,
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Re: Waltham frosty 1883 foot jewel

New postby richiec » Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:14 pm

Well, I have gone through every movement I have and no matches, even another frosty yielded no results, it almost as if these 4,000,000 numbers are In a class all their own. The closest I had was in the 5,000,000 area. Well, now down to the miscellaneous vials to see if I can match something up.
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Re: Waltham frosty 1883 foot jewel

New postby cannon pinion » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:52 pm

Richie - just for yuks, try this guy on E Bay - qbstuff. He advertises balance jewels for a whole mess of vintage pocket watches. I'm going to give him a try on a 12s Illinois.
I feel for you. I have 3 1883 movements in pieces, and 2 parts movements, and I can't get anything to interchange.
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Re: Waltham frosty 1883 foot jewel

New postby richiec » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:53 am

Andy, I know what you mean. As to QBStuff, I have looked at his stuff and would likely have to custom order the jewel but the problem is the depth of the foot jewel so the balance clears the plate. It is tough when you have 20-30 parts movements and nothing fits this one watch. I do know it is a 12 pivot. Keep trolling Ebay trying to find another frosty in bad shape in the same range of serial numbers. I haven't given up hope in my supply of jewels but it is a tedious process.
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Re: Waltham frosty 1883 foot jewel

New postby Marty101 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:08 am

Rich,are you sure about the Frosty thing being an issue? I mean,couldn't that have been a short chance run and have nothing to do with your screw variation?
Just don't want you to unnecessarily limit an already limited search.
I'm doing the same kind of search for a Hampden dial and believe me,the hunt can get tiring...I missed my prize once already sleeping at the wheel.
Keep winding things,
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Re: Waltham frosty 1883 foot jewel

New postby richiec » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:08 pm

Marty101, I have no clue whether it is a frosty thing or not, it is just that every nickel and gilt movement I own has the larger size jewel, about 2.85mm as opposed to 2.60mm, than this one. The closest I have in serial number in in the 5 millions, this frosty is in the 4 millions so who knows? Good luck on your dial search.
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Re: Waltham frosty 1883 foot jewel

New postby Neilywatch » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:36 pm

Rich - I just saw a listing for Waltham hole jewels in the smaller diameter that you need. Go back on eBay and search the listing - I am pretty sure they are what you need.

BTW, the frostiness of the watch has nothing to do with the jewel size.
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Re: Waltham frosty 1883 foot jewel

New postby richiec » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:37 pm

Neil, do you remember the sale number, PM me if you do, I just ordered some more jewels to see what they are anyway. BTW, we are having a mart and meeting Sunday if you are interested.
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Re: Waltham frosty 1883 foot jewel

New postby richiec » Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:58 pm

Finally found a jewel that fit the hole but did not have the proper depth to keep the balance off of the plate and the upper jewel far enough onto the staff, the donor was in the 2 millions.
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Re: Waltham frosty 1883 foot jewel

New postby cannon pinion » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:05 pm

Can you change the brass setting for one that will work?
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Re: Waltham frosty 1883 foot jewel

New postby cannon pinion » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:05 pm

Can you change the brass setting for one that will work?
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Re: Waltham frosty 1883 foot jewel

New postby richiec » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:58 pm

The original jewel was not in the watch from the get go so putting a loose jewel would not work plus I am not well versed in installing unset jewels. I will keep experimenting.
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Re: Waltham frosty 1883 foot jewel

New postby Neilywatch » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:40 pm

I cant find the listing now - prob sold already. You need the right setting other wise it'll never run right.
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