A model '83 15J At&Co with "17 J" Marking

A model '83 15J At&Co with "17 J" Marking

New postby 4brokenow » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:01 am

Wanted to show off this interesting '83 that has been engraved with "17 J" on the barrel bridge. Was wondering if anyone might have ideas of what is going on here. Watch was in a run of 15J At&Co's starting in March of 1893. Watch is NOT17 jewels (Yeah I was hoping). Also note the Hunting to Open-face conversion dial. Assuming it may be original. Would like to hear thoughts on this interesting watch.

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Re: A model '83 15J At&Co with "17 J" Marking

New postby Marty101 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:29 pm

Any AT&Co. is cool in my book. I don't collect them but have a couple...everybody should. :)
The only criticism I can make (concerning originality) are the h/m hands. Certainly they are after market;I think someone just wanted heavy RR hands on her. That's not uncommon. I get a lot of guys who demand heavy hands on pocket watches. Sure doesn't look bad.
-And a very cool dial. Who made the case?
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Re: A model '83 15J At&Co with "17 J" Marking

New postby rrwatch » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:23 pm

In the database that Kent Singer and I maintain we have 15 examples recorded in the 6,534,001 to 6,536,000 range. All are 15 jewels and none are recorded as having a "17 J" marking.I would guess that someone with an engraving machine may have used the barrel bridge for practice, but we will never know for sure.
Where hand type is recorded, most had the Morning Glory style hands.
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Re: A model '83 15J At&Co with "17 J" Marking

New postby 4brokenow » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:47 pm

Marty, Definitely agree the hands are after-market. I believe it is a Crescent tip-out.

Here is one theory I have:

We all realize that it was 1893 when the requirements for the railroad changed. 17J was minimum jewel count as well as the requirement for open-face. Also Waltham had already released the wonderful new-fangled 1892 which would have been at minimum 17 jewels. Hmm... :?: What is a jeweler going to do with all these expensive AT&Co 15 jewel 1883's in inventory?? :twisted:

The other theory I had is that the watches' owner had it engraved to get by inspection. Maybe he got a killer deal on it. Throw the conversion dial on it and voilà!

What is most likely?
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Re: A model '83 15J At&Co with "17 J" Marking

New postby Marty101 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:43 am

I'm with Ed here,Phil-I think someone did it privately over a jeweler trying to push old stock. I have seen this kind of thing before and it makes me grind my teeth. Very rarely do these add-ons look legit enough to pass a closer look.
Still-it is,no matter what,an AT&Co. :)
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Re: A model '83 15J At&Co with "17 J" Marking

New postby 4brokenow » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:53 pm

A few more pics.

Also seems like the number puncher guy at the factory needed more Monday morning coffee. Funny how he just gave up and got out his scribe. :lol:

Watches with original character are more interesting to own.

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