Elgin 21j 18s full plate lever sets made 1895-1899

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Elgin 21j 18s full plate lever sets made 1895-1899

New postby 49stude63 » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:13 am

For the Elgin experts out there since I really get little or no reponse on this topic. During this time Elgin made some 21j full plate 18s the first being the grade 150 which is ever and all documentation I have seen is described as a pendant set (picture #1 with dial off). It very clear this is a pendant set since there is no lever mechanism at all.
I have also posted another 18s 21j lever set grade 277 that Elgin in it's master records says it converted from a grade 150, you can clearly see remaining remnants of the fact that it was a the mounting points for the pendant mechanism is still there along with the slot in the pillar plate mechanism that the lever set mechanism does not use.
Picture #3 is a watch that some refer to as a lever set 150, which is quite baffling since any Elgin descriptions they refer to the grade 150 as a model 5 (pendant set) and a full plate lever set is a model 7 and in the case of the grade 277 we know it was a model 5 grade 150 converted to a model 7 grade 277, or a converted model 7.
Picture #4 is a true model 7, grade 181 first 21j model 7, it is very clear that the grade 181 does not share any of the legacy machining of the pendant set model 5 that the grade 277 shows, this grade was clearly made to be a lever set from the beginning of the pillar plate machining process.
Picture #5, mystery watch, it clearly is not a grade 150 pendant set, nor is it a converted model 7 like the grade 277, it looks to be a twin of the grade 181 but the serial number is well before the first run of the grade 181. Clearly Elgin made this watch to be a model 7 lever set from the beginning, the numbers all plates match so it is not a franken-watch. Some call this a lever set grade 150, why, who know since there is no clear documentation or trends that Elgin made the same grade and it was either a lever set or or pendant set. Elgin was very consistent and gave different model numbers for OF or HC, PS or LS, factory descriptions for watches that the grade 150 was 20-21j model 5 pendant set.
On Wayne's Elgin site there are 4 lever set 277's that are not listed on the factory master records but are considered undocumented 277's why that is since they clearly have a serial number that fell into the grade 150 serial number range (as all 277's originally did), why the watch shown in picture #3 is not an undocumented grade 277 since they look nearly identical is beyond me. The watch shown in picture #4 is clearly not a model 5 gade 150 nor is it a converted model 5 to model 7 grade 277. This watch clearly looks near identical in all ways to a grade 181, a true model 7 21j full plate lever set.
We KNow that Elgin would pull watches from one type and serial number range and make them another grade , 150/277 149/348, we also know that the Elgin documents migh be incomplete or missing. Maybe somone can show me where Elgin clearly describes the 150 as both pendant and lever set grades.

Picture #1 Elgin grade 150 pendant set
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Picture # 2 Elgin grade 277, lever set converted from grade 150 pendant set.
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Picture #3 Elgin grade ??? alledged grade 150 lever set (model 7)
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Picture #4 Elgin grade 181 mode 7
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Picture #5 mystery grade model 7
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Re: Elgin 21j 18s full plate lever sets made 1895-1899

New postby 49stude63 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:07 pm

I would have guessed that others out there with 277's or 21 jewel lever sets prior to the 181's would post the pictures or even comment a bit on this topic since it does fly a bit in the face of what most have said in the past in regards to the Elgin grade 150's being both lever and pendant sets.
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